Class B Market Share, Sales and Shipments - Page 10

booster · 08-22-2014, 03:42 AM

There was speculation for a while, haven't heard much lately, that GM would expand the work with Nissan on vans, possibly including a B sized one. I think that could shake things up pretty well, as I would expect it to fall between the Travato and Transit in cost, and would most likely be rear drive.

The market definitely needs more players in the low to mid price range. The basic Sprinters have gotten so expensive there is not much way they can get into the mid range very far, so lower end is not going to happen with them. Transit may get into mid further than Sprinter, and the gas engine will appeal to many. Big question is what will GM do?

bobojay · 08-22-2014, 03:48 AM

Marco, The Chevy B is going to be around for several years my feeling is. It's too successful for RT for it not to be around. GM is cutting back production somewhat, (dropping the 1500 chassis), but at the same time the Express/Savannah is going to be the only old tech van around with tons of aftermarket upfitter stuff out there. (Nissan NV is a flop)

My feeling is the Transit will have a slow start at first, but picking up in the next 18 months or so, eventually again taking over the fleet market. It will be late next year before we see the first for sale Transit B's and eventually C's too. Winnebago for one is working on them studying the weight limits of that 10k plus GVW chassis that's more akin to the first T1N Sprinter RV's.

GM has a European style van over there that they could co-develop with Opel for the North American market. No clue there....
I don't see them, GM, going any further with Nissan than the little one they are getting this fall from Nissan. I would be very shocked and disappointed if they did being a GM retiree

booster · 08-22-2014, 02:56 PM

This may have come up before, but what would an RV based on this one be called?

It is almost like a prebuilt class C, but no body needed to be added. Technically the body is there stock, so could be a B?

I didn't see a width on it, but is said 14' body, which would probably put it in the 23' long range.

Isuzu has always made good trucks with excellent diesels.

gerrym51 · 08-22-2014, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by bobojay

Marco, The Chevy B is going to be around for several years my feeling is. It's too successful for RT for it not to be around. GM is cutting back production somewhat, (dropping the 1500 chassis), but at the same time the Express/Savannah is going to be the only old tech van around with tons of aftermarket upfitter stuff out there. (Nissan NV is a flop)

My feeling is the Transit will have a slow start at first, but picking up in the next 18 months or so, eventually again taking over the fleet market. It will be late next year before we see the first for sale Transit B's and eventually C's too. Winnebago for one is working on them studying the weight limits of that 10k plus GVW chassis that's more akin to the first T1N Sprinter RV's.

GM has a European style van over there that they could co-develop with Opel for the North American market. No clue there....
I don't see them, GM, going any further with Nissan than the little one they are getting this fall from Nissan. I would be very shocked and disappointed if they did being a GM retiree

I like the transits-however the GVWR and CCC seems to be about 700 pounds less-the best gvwr i could configure on site was 10,300. gvwr of sprinter was 11,030.

markopolo · 08-22-2014, 06:40 PM

booster - technically that "van" if converted to RV use would be a Class A I think after reading about it. It's a body by Utilimaster named the Reach added to an Isuzu diesel chassis.

Winnebago for example, buys a chassis to build a Class A on.

It is an example of how easily the lines between the class types can get blurred.

bobojay · 08-22-2014, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by gerrym51

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Originally Posted by bobojay

Marco, The Chevy B is going to be around for several years my feeling is. It's too successful for RT for it not to be around. GM is cutting back production somewhat, (dropping the 1500 chassis), but at the same time the Express/Savannah is going to be the only old tech van around with tons of aftermarket upfitter stuff out there. (Nissan NV is a flop)

My feeling is the Transit will have a slow start at first, but picking up in the next 18 months or so, eventually again taking over the fleet market. It will be late next year before we see the first for sale Transit B's and eventually C's too. Winnebago for one is working on them studying the weight limits of that 10k plus GVW chassis that's more akin to the first T1N Sprinter RV's.

GM has a European style van over there that they could co-develop with Opel for the North American market. No clue there....
I don't see them, GM, going any further with Nissan than the little one they are getting this fall from Nissan. I would be very shocked and disappointed if they did being a GM retiree

I like the transits-however the GVWR and CCC seems to be about 700 pounds less-the best gvwr i could configure on site was 10,300. gvwr of sprinter was 11,030.

Yes, at the present time, the Transit's max GVWR is right at what the early T1N, (pre 2007), Sprinters were

booster · 08-22-2014, 11:30 PM

IIRC, the early Sprinters were on the 2500 chassis and had a capacity of about 1000# less than the Chevies which have 9600#. The Sprinters were only about 8600# on the single rear wheels.

markopolo · 08-25-2014, 02:56 PM

Re: Winnebago - I haven't seen any Travato's on the road out this way but am seeing more than a few Winnebag ERA's this year.

markopolo · 08-26-2014, 12:10 AM

July 2014 Class B Shipment stats have been published on RVIA's site http://www.rvia.org

Things are still looking great for Class B RV Manufacturers in 2014.

2014 shipments are up 42.6% through the first 7 months of this year.

markopolo · 09-20-2014, 04:05 PM

July 2014 Class B Sales stats have been posted on RV Business: http://www.rvbusiness.com/2014/09/ssi-b ... up-21-ytd/
Sales are up 21.2% through the first seven months of this year.

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Year-over-year Class B motorhome retails registrations gained 7.8% in July and 21.2% for the first seven months of 2014, according to the latest report from Statistical Surveys Inc. (SSI).

Here's the Class B market share breakdown:

May 2014
Roadtrek Motorhomes Inc. 37.1% market share.
Thor Industries Inc. 23.6% market share.
Winnebago Industries Inc. 21.8% market share.

June 2014
Roadtrek Motorhomes Inc. 31.4% market share.
Winnebago Industries Inc. 26.8% market share.
Thor Industries Inc. 25.1% market share.

July 2014
Roadtrek Motorhomes Inc. 35.6% market share.
Winnebago Industries Inc. 23.7% market share.
Thor Industries Inc. 23.6% market share.

Still a great year for Class B's. Roadtrek maintains their lead and is comfortably in the #1 spot. Winnebago maintains 2nd place but only 0.1% ahead of Thor.

markopolo · 09-27-2014, 02:18 PM

August 2014 Class B Shipment stats have been published on RVIA's site http://www.rvia.org

This really is a great year for Class B RV Manufacturers.

2014 shipments are up 42.7% through the first 8 months of this year.

markopolo · 10-25-2014, 12:39 PM

August 2014 Class B Sales stats have been posted on RV Business: http://www.rvbusiness.com/2014/10/ssi-c ... ng-august/
Sales are up 23% through the first eight months of this year.

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Year-over-year Class B motorhome retails registrations gained 33.1% in August and 23% for the first eight months of 2014, according to the latest report from Statistical Surveys Inc. (SSI).

Here's the Class B market share breakdown:

June 2014
Roadtrek Motorhomes Inc. 31.4% market share.
Winnebago Industries Inc. 26.8% market share.
Thor Industries Inc. 25.1% market share.

July 2014
Roadtrek Motorhomes Inc. 35.6% market share.
Winnebago Industries Inc. 23.7% market share.
Thor Industries Inc. 23.6% market share.

August 2014
Roadtrek Motorhomes Inc. 35.6% market share.
Winnebago Industries Inc. 24.3% market share.
Thor Industries Inc. 23.6% market share.

Great year for Class B's. The stats are almost the same as last month with the exception being Winnebago's .6% gain.

markopolo · 10-25-2014, 12:46 PM

September 2014 Class B Shipment stats have been published on RVIA's site http://www.rvia.org

2014 is really looking good for Class B RV Manufacturers.

2014 shipments are up 38.7% through the first 9 months of this year.

Davydd · 10-25-2014, 03:36 PM

Roadtrek has clawed back in its market share. They are doing so I think with innovative marketing and design. The Etrek concepts are appealing to a lot of people I think and the other major B converters are continuing to ignore the boon docking concepts.

markopolo · 11-24-2014, 12:09 PM

September 2014 Class B Sales stats have been posted on RV Business: http://www.rvbusiness.com/2014/11/ssi-c ... 3-in-sept/
Sales are up 23.1% through the first nine months of this year.

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Year-over-year Class B motorhome retails registrations gained 23.1% in September and 23.1% for the first nine months of 2014, according to the latest report from Statistical Surveys Inc. (SSI).

Here's the Class B market share breakdown:

July 2014
Roadtrek Motorhomes Inc. 35.6% market share.
Winnebago Industries Inc. 23.7% market share.
Thor Industries Inc. 23.6% market share.

August 2014
Roadtrek Motorhomes Inc. 35.6% market share.
Winnebago Industries Inc. 24.3% market share.
Thor Industries Inc. 23.6% market share.

September 2014
Roadtrek Motorhomes Inc. 35.2% market share.
Winnebago Industries Inc. 25.5% market share.
Thor Industries Inc. 23.4% market share.

The stats are very similar to last month with the exception being Winnebago's 1.2% gain.

markopolo · 11-25-2014, 04:02 PM

October 2014 Class B Shipment stats have been published on RVIA's site http://www.rvia.org

Great year for Class B RV Manufacturers.

2014 shipments are up 38.3% through the first 10 months of this year.

markopolo · 12-16-2014, 05:57 PM

October 2014 Class B Sales stats have been posted on RV Business: http://www.rvbusiness.com/2014/12/ssi-c ... r-october/

Sales are up 22.1% through ten months this year.

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Year-over-year Class B motorhome retail registrations gained 13% in October and 22.1% for the first 10 months of 2014, according to the latest report from Statistical Surveys Inc. (SSI).

Here's the Class B market share breakdown:

August 2014
Roadtrek Motorhomes Inc. 35.6% market share.
Winnebago Industries Inc. 24.3% market share.
Thor Industries Inc. 23.6% market share.

September 2014
Roadtrek Motorhomes Inc. 35.2% market share.
Winnebago Industries Inc. 25.5% market share.
Thor Industries Inc. 23.4% market share.

October 2014
Roadtrek Motorhomes Inc. 34.9% market share.
Winnebago Industries Inc. 25.9% market share.
Thor Industries Inc. 23.2% market share.

The stats are steady. Winnebago was the only gainer reported, up 0.4%.

Roadtrek http://www.roadtrek.com/
Winnebago http://winnebagotouring.com/
Airstream (Thor) http://www.airstream.com/touring-coaches/

Boxster1971 · 12-17-2014, 06:03 PM

I always find it interesting to note how small the B-van market is when compare to the numbers in the rest of RV industry. We are truly a niche market segment

Davydd · 12-17-2014, 06:20 PM

Very niche. Unless you are attending rallies and social get togethers with other Class Bs very often you'll not see another Class B in a campground and just as rarely maybe one or two others at the most. Considering your habits with the use of a Class B might gravitate toward more off-beat campgrounds that Class As and 5th wheelers might not go it is even more noticeable the lack of them. The odds seemed greater at the national parks of seeing other Class Bs in my experience.

markopolo · 12-20-2014, 06:28 PM

Will Hymercar offer campervans in the US? This idea has been reported on for quite some time now. Maybe even dating back 2 years.
There are already a lot of ProMaster based units available now and/or soon.
They could "purchase" market share by offering some units at or near cost or even a loss for the startup period.
A joint venture of some sort is possible.
The market for Class B's grew in 2013 & 2014. Did they miss the boat or do you see continued growth of this market segment?

A $60,000 to $70,000 offering would shake things up.
There's room in the $70,000 to $85,000 area I'd think.
Anything over that will have lots of competition.
Maybe they'll skip the B market.

Hymercar offers the Grand Canyon, Yellowstone & Sierra Nevada campervans in Europe.
Hymer has several small Class C type and small Class A type units.

They seem to be very patient. No apparent rush to setup shop here. To me that indicates long term planning.

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