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10-17-2015, 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by wincrasher
Ha! That's the van I reported on at Hershey. Good luck with whoever buys that one.
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what was wrong with it. refresh my memory?
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10-27-2015, 07:53 PM
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#202
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Location: Pennsylvania
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FYI -- Roadtrek website now updated with Zion SRT. Base MSRP = $82,706USD vs $87,906USD for Zion.
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10-27-2015, 07:59 PM
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But "Build Your Own " section not working yet; Says Interior Cabinetry "required" but there is nothing to choose yet, so you cannot get further on the "Build Your Own" process. Also, interestingly, upgrade to silver metallic costs $585, but your total is only $82
Why does RT keep releasing things before they are tested and ready???
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10-27-2015, 09:56 PM
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Location: WA
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I see American RV, Michigan has a new one on their website. 500+ miles so they drive it down and want to charge you $2000 delivery. Actually a nice looking unit and it has everything I would want on it. Tried to search Am. RV here and not finding anything.
2016 Roadtrek Zion SRT | American RV
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10-27-2015, 10:39 PM
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Platinum Member
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Location: Pennsylvania
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Originally Posted by islandrog
....500+ miles so they drive it down and want to charge you $2000 delivery. [/url]
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Seems like all dealers add a delivery charge (may include prep, too) no matter where they are. IIRC someone said Lichtsinn adds the standard delivery charge as other dealers, even though they are only a couple of miles from the Winnebago factory
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10-27-2015, 11:02 PM
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I believe it's to level the playing field for dealers, otherwise manufacturers might find themselves stuck with just a few mega dealers close to the factory.
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10-27-2015, 11:12 PM
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The dealers don't add the shipping charges. The RV manufacturer does no matter where it's delivered to
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2019 Winnebago Travato K (2018 Chassis)
Past RV's: 2013 WGO ERA 70A, Chevy PW Lexor
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10-27-2015, 11:20 PM
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#208
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BobB
FYI -- Roadtrek website now updated with Zion SRT. Base MSRP = $82,706USD vs $87,906USD for Zion.
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The SRT might work well for some families. The lower price and shorter length is appealing. It even looks like there's three seat belts in that bench. But Roadtrek lists the Occupant & Cargo Carrying Capacity at 1,250 lbs!
After subtracting a full tank of water and some rough passenger weights (2 adults, 1 dog, and 3 kids), there's less than 200 lbs left for propane & everything else!
1250 - 309 - 210 - 150 - 140 - 100 - 100 - 50 => 191
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10-27-2015, 11:39 PM
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Platinum Member
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bobojay
The dealers don't add the shipping charges. The RV manufacturer does no matter where it's delivered to
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Thank you for the clarification. I knew I missed a detail in there.
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10-28-2015, 12:09 AM
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RT pitches the SRT for 1-2 folks, forget the kids....
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10-28-2015, 12:13 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Transit
But Roadtrek lists the Occupant & Cargo Carrying Capacity at 1,250 lbs!
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They also list the regular Zion as 1250 but it is actually 1595
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10-28-2015, 12:20 AM
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I expect RT needs to do a bit more cleanup on their webpage. I would not think the specs for Gross Vehicle Weight Rating 9,350 lbs,
Occupant & Cargo Carrying Capacity 1,250 lbs, and
Gross Combined Weight Rating 11,500 lbs to be the same for the Zion & the SRT.
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10-28-2015, 12:24 AM
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There are a ton of errors all over the webpages. They don't really care as long as general information is there for people. They expect you to get your information from the sales people... many of whom are more uninformed than the webpage. The most accurate information is on the order sheet if you can get a copy from a dealer. And these days it is darn near impossible to get a human on the phone at the factory...
so...
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2019 Roadtrek Simplicity SRT (almost a Zion)
2015 Roadtrek 170
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10-28-2015, 12:59 AM
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Location: Minnesota
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mumkin
There are a ton of errors all over the webpages. They don't really care as long as general information is there for people. They expect you to get your information from the sales people... many of whom are more uninformed than the webpage. The most accurate information is on the order sheet if you can get a copy from a dealer. And these days it is darn near impossible to get a human on the phone at the factory...
so...
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...and the sales people get their information from the published spec sheets on the web?
I would think if sales people actually have accurate information that it could be coordinated accurately with a web page.
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2021 Advanced RV 144 custom Sprinter
2015 Advanced RV Extended body Sprinter
2011 Great West Van Legend Sprinter
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10-28-2015, 01:46 AM
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"Revolutionary floor plan?" Haha, they copied the Pleasure Way Ascent plan. They are so far behind they think they are first!
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10-28-2015, 02:54 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by islandrog
RT pitches the SRT for 1-2 folks, forget the kids....
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Yes, but "regular" Zion Occupant & Cargo Carrying Capacity is also 1,250 lbs!
Go figure.
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10-28-2015, 04:22 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Davydd
...and the sales people get their information from the published spec sheets on the web?
I would think if sales people actually have accurate information that it could be coordinated accurately with a web page.
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No, I doubt that the salesman ever look at the web. There are no "published spec sheets" on the web... only their commercial website and it has been inaccurate the whole last year... and likely years before.
The salespeople have official order sheets from Roadtrek, which are not on the web. My salesman emailed them to me when I started the process to help focus my questions.
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2021 Promaster 1500 118wb conversion
2019 Roadtrek Simplicity SRT (almost a Zion)
2015 Roadtrek 170
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10-28-2015, 03:22 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rectalogic
They also list the regular Zion as 1250 but it is actually 1595
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I would love to know exactly how they calculate that number. Seems the only way is to outfit the van, fill up the tanks (fuel, water, propane, etc.) and weigh it. Subtract that number from the GCVW of 11,500# and that is how much additional cargo, people and tow can weigh. I wonder if RT actually does that? Has anyone here ever done that with their own RV?
I could not find similar numbers on PW or Winn sites. They only list GCWR and GVWR. GVWR includes the vehicle's chassis, body, engine, engine fluids, fuel, accessories, driver, passengers and cargo but excludes that of any trailers, so difference between GCWR and GVWR does not help you figure how much cargo and passengers can weigh. Did find the "curb weight" (weight of a vehicle without any passengers or cargo, but including all necessary fuel, fluids and standard equipment.) of Promaster 3500 159WB EXT is 5017#.
So difference between curb weight and GCWR is 6,483#. Using the 1595#, would outfitting + fuel + other full tanks take up almost 5,000#?
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10-29-2015, 07:22 PM
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#219
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Location: WA
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Roadtrek's "Build your own" SRT appears to be fixed now.
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10-29-2015, 09:05 PM
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#220
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Quote:
Originally Posted by islandrog
Roadtrek's "Build your own" SRT appears to be fixed now.
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the zion SRT is on the 2500 chassis not the 3500 like the regular zion
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