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Also, I hope they have time to find out (1) pricing if available (2) systems installed - battery, solar, heat/A/C etc. (3) options. and finally (4) expected availability. Of course this is along with all their other great reporting from Pomona 
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12-01-2015, 09:01 PM
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What I can see of that interior I can say I am not impressed.
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12-01-2015, 09:10 PM
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Yes, if you don't like a European style interior, then a Hymer is not for you. Very IKEA.
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12-01-2015, 09:38 PM
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Oh, but I do like a European style interior. I think my Alvar, named for the Finnish architect Alvar Aalto, can stand up against most. That interior had mismatched grain veneer and was rather plain and clunky in proportion. The way the bed cushions were stacked was not exactly elegant.
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12-01-2015, 10:46 PM
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Oh, but I do like a European style interior. I think my Alvar, named for the Finnish architect Alvar Aalto, can stand up against most. That interior had mismatched grain veneer and was rather plain and clunky in proportion. The way the bed cushions were stacked was not exactly elegant.
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Agree. God is in the details! But what we are looking for in Hymercars is to have better designed campers at an affordable price. Niesmann+Bischoff in the Hymer group has more upscale coaches.
What will be very interesting to see is how those vans will be built by Roadtrek, Apart from grandmas' cabinets, they don't have a lot of experience building van conversions with industrial techniques. What I saw when they built our van wasn't very convincing. Maybe the RT are well built (I can't tell, we canceled our order to buy the first Safari Condo Promaster with the Flex bed) but they aren't very clever in terms of industrial design and assembly techniques. Very dated and poor conceptual design and detailing.
For very obvious reasons, Hymer wants the RT dealers. Hope they trade in good industrial designers that will influence future Roadtrek vehicles.
If we look at what Spartan did for the Grand canyon, they already modified a lot of details compare to the original design
The North American Grand Canyon countertop
The European one
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The bed mechanism on the Spartan built Hymercar (mismatched wood in bed structure)
The clean european one (mind you it's promotional photos, never saw one for real)
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My Kampervan post on FB
Hymercar Grand Canyon - Built by Roadtrek ?
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...2388992&type=3
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12-01-2015, 11:01 PM
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More photos of matched wood and nice industrial detailing in the European Grand Canyon.
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The Grand Canyon exterior on their Facebook page
(Is it already built by Roadtrek or a previous Spartan build ?)
Ugly oversized grille logo!
The Grand Canyon that was shown last year
Also encouraging news for ProMaster owners. If Hymer gets in the game they will certainly help promote the van and encourage FCA to offer better service when they will need to be repaired 
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12-01-2015, 11:05 PM
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Maybe the fake chromed grill is Roadtrek's contribution to Hymer. Incremental improvement over the travesty they fitted on the Zion SRT.
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12-02-2015, 12:06 AM
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A Roadtrek-Hymer EcoTrek Grand Canyon in the future??  
That's a mouthful.
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12-02-2015, 12:39 AM
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A Roadtrek-Hymer EcoTrek Grand Canyon in the future??
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...presented by Jim Hymer-mill!
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12-02-2015, 12:42 AM
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I am just as confused as usual. Was there an announcement from Roadtrek or Hymer that Roadtrek would be building a Hymer for the North American market?
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12-02-2015, 01:26 AM
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It would not surprise me if they are just assembling a kit provided fully by Hymer. I highly doubt Roadtrek is building that aluminum framed cabinetry.
What really confuses me is how they have the production capacity to do this. If it's just an assembly job, then maybe it's not so tough to add labor.
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12-02-2015, 01:38 AM
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OK, I still don't think it says anywhere that Roadtrek is building any Hymer vehicle. The cooperative agreement doesn't say it and the Hymer announcement on the Grand Canyon doesn't say it. But I guess I am just as confused as usual...
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12-02-2015, 01:38 AM
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I am just as confused as usual. Was there an announcement from Roadtrek or Hymer that Roadtrek would be building a Hymer for the North American market?
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It's inferred. We may be wrong but Hymer has been looking into this / trying to do this for a long time.
Check this post: http://www.classbforum.com/forums/f5...html#post14866
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(HYMER) is looking to finalize a joint venture manufacturing agreement with an American concern because the southern German company’s game plan does not include, with the exception of a few startup models, building inventory in Europe and shipping to the States.
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The RV Business article I quoted is from January 2013 - almost 3 years ago and who knows how long they were considering selling RV's in the North American market before making their plans public.
They used the word engineering in the most recent news release but the Grand Canyon and the Yellowstone models that should begin production in the first quarter of 2016 have already been engineered.
I think a lot of us just switched that word to building.
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12-02-2015, 02:00 AM
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Hopefully we see some pictures tomorrow of whatever this Zion "Link" is.
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12-02-2015, 02:03 AM
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OK, I still don't think it says anywhere that Roadtrek is building any Hymer vehicle. The cooperative agreement doesn't say it and the Hymer announcement on the Grand Canyon doesn't say it. But I guess I am just as confused as usual...
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True, it is not stated explicitly that Roadtrek will be the builder and distributor of Hymer products but it is hard to imagine not being involved in the production process. Maybe Spartan will still be involved?
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The partnership allows us to share technologies, personnel and best practices,...
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The marketplace should anticipate the start of production of the exceptional HYMERCAR class B motorhomes, such as the Grand Canyon and the Yellowstone models, in the first quarter of 2016.
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12-02-2015, 02:29 AM
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True, it is not stated explicitly that Roadtrek will be the builder and distributor of Hymer products but it is hard to imagine not being involved in the production process. Maybe Spartan will still be involved?
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The partnership allows us to share technologies, personnel and best practices,...
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The marketplace should anticipate the start of production of the exceptional HYMERCAR class B motorhomes, such as the Grand Canyon and the Yellowstone models, in the first quarter of 2016.
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I agree. It is quite a leap from the press release to "Roadtrek will build". The press release is sort of the " we're going to start dating" not " we're having children"
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12-02-2015, 02:54 AM
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All I can say is that in my mind engineering cooperation implies nothing about manufacturing, assembling, or building production vehicles. In September the announcement indicated Spartan was doing the assembly and I have seen nothing indicating otherwise since then. I think if Roadtrek was doing the assembly of production Hymer vehicles they would have made that pretty clear in these announcements. Just my take on it, I have been wrong before and will be wrong again I'm sure, but maybe not today. September announcement...
http://www.hymer-usa.com/wp-content/...ember-2015.pdf
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12-02-2015, 03:00 AM
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I agree. It is quite a leap from the press release to "Roadtrek will build". The press release is sort of the "we're going to start dating" not "we're having children"
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I guess also ...we won't fight anymore ...over the same market.
That's what's puzzling me most. How can they start dating if their offsprings are feeding off the same meal. The Hymercar and Zion are in same tiny niche market. RT more pedestrian than Hymer, but not very far from each other.
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